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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-03/the-odyssey-vs-the-iliad-which-ancient-greek-homer-epic-is-better You couldn’t really get away from the Iliad and Odyssey if you tried. But is one more serious than the other? Which do you like better, and why?Those questions have meant a lot to many people, not least because we like to think that our preferences say something about who we are. In the early 18th century, the great British classical scholar Richard Bentley declared that “the Iliad [Homer] made for the men, the Odysseis [Odyssey] for the other sex.” Bentley was responding to a feature of the latter poem that readers have long recognized: its remarkable abundance of powerful and memorable female characters. (Given its subject, the Iliad , by contrast, is inevitably testosterone-rich.) To be sure, the Iliad , because of its grim confrontation with death, has always appealed to those who like to think of themselves as serious people. For many members of the so-called Greatest Generation, schooled first by the Great Depression and then by World War II, the Iliad speaks with particular force. My great friend and mentor, the editor Robert Gottlieb, who was two years younger than my dad, meticulously went through https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/O/bo243090734.html of the Odyssey before I submitted it to my publisher. When he finished, he shook his head dismissively. “Why does he go on like that? I just don’t understand why he doesn’t just get home already!” It was the Iliad and the Trojan War that furnished plots for most of the Greek tragedies: Aeschylus’s grand trilogy Oresteia , with its harrowing memories of the human sacrifice that made the Greeks’ expedition to Troy possible; Sophocles’ Ajax , about the humiliation and suicide of the greatest hero after Achilles; a whole slate of plays by Euripides, not least Trojan Women , with its harrowing depiction of the aftermath of the great city’s sack. But the Odyssey barely left a mark on Greek theater*.* When Odysseus does show up, he’s a cardboard villain, the charming slyness of the epic character curdled now into dastardly caddishness. The only play we have directly inspired by his homecoming story is Euripides’ Cyclops , a so-called Satyr play — the genre of short comical pieces performed after the tragedies had been presented. All the more interesting then that it’s the Odyssey , not the Iliad , that has attracted modern adapters. It is through his exposure to this astonishing variety of characters that Odysseus arrives at an understanding of what kind of person and what kind of place are the right ones for him. His rejection of Calypso’s offer in favor of returning to the aging Penelope is not only a magnificent testament to his marriage — another great subject of the poem — but a moving acknowledgment of his recognition that he is, despite his heroic achievements, an ordinary mortal in the end. If the adventures are a vehicle for Odysseus (and the audience) to ponder human identity, the poem goes on to explore its mysteries and complexities in sophisticated ways. Odysseus is a master of disguise and an expert fabulist, two talents that save his skin in tricky situations and yet make him a very unreliable narrator. The epic plays with the question of identity in other intriguing ways. In the opening lines — the introductory section known as the Proem, where the bard typically names his subject and theme — the hero is not named but instead referred to merely as “a man.” This odd and striking evasion highlights an important question: How do we know who someone is? Their name? Their actions? His identity is, in the end, multifaceted: king and beggar, hero and “nobody,” safely returned but also a man literally defined by his suffering. Given its many subtle narrative and thematic complexities, it’s small wonder that the Odyssey , unlike the Iliad , has generated so many genres and so many literary afterimages. Perhaps because it is about a wanderer — a lost soul, both literally and figuratively — it also feels curiously modern. Its plot contains the germs of science fiction and fantasy literature, of the picaresque novel and the rom-com.

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